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Da , upravo je to fora ;)



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Zahvaljujem :D
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Čitajte šta ljudi kažu za WD40.

Bicycle chains, on the other hand, are far too heavy and fast-moving for the lubricating power of WD-40 to have any effect at all. As a matter of fact, WD-40 will actually strip away any existing lubricant and leave your drivetrain dry - metal on metal. Basically, spraying this stuff on your chain is worse than using no lubricant at all!
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Dewillex wrote:Čitajte šta ljudi kažu za WD40.

Bicycle chains, on the other hand, are far too heavy and fast-moving for the lubricating power of WD-40 to have any effect at all. As a matter of fact, WD-40 will actually strip away any existing lubricant and leave your drivetrain dry - metal on metal. Basically, spraying this stuff on your chain is worse than using no lubricant at all!

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Re: Lanac

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Pre neki dan sam menjao lanac i devetofaz. Nije izdržao ni 1000km. Ja sam kriv jer sam se zajebavao sa kojekakvim sprejevima.
Dok sam koristio obično motorno ulje za auta prelazio je najmanje 3000km, ali tako mi i treba kad hoću da bude čist. Odsad ulje. Inače podlegao je osram sad je xt.
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Pa generalno koliko ja znam - sram ce lakse da podlegne nego shimano (vozim sram)
Kazu da je meksi, a laksi je, pa normalno da ce lakse podlegne uticaju lanca.

Inace - teflon sprej moras redovno da stavljas - nema onog podmazano prosle nedelje i sl...
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Baš taj teflon sprej ga je dokusurio. Boca sa zelenim čepom, neznam baš tačno kako se zove. Za amortizere je dobar ludilo.
A lanac NE NE NE. Treba vodootporno ulje. To ću da potražim.
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Ja te opet pitam - kako si ga koristio?
Svakodnevno ili ne? Ili bolje receno - na koliko km?
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Batali to. Podmazao ga jedno pet puta za oko 700km do uništenja(ako je prskanje podmazivanje).
Samo ulje. Jeste prljavo ali je i podmazano.
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Batali ti onda.
Ako neces pravilno da koristis Teflon sprej - onda kao da nisi ni podmazao - i onda nemoj ga ni koristiti.

Svaki sprej/ulje zna se kakvu ima primenu i koliko se cesto mora podmazivati. Teflon sprej svaki dan - a zavisno od uslova i duzine voznje - mozda i u toku.

Svaki nacin podmazivanja ima prednosti i mane - u ovom slucaju je mana sto kratko traje.
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Druže slušaj.
To je kurac. Kad bi svi biciklisti prsnuli to govno na jedan sat, pa ova planeta bi otišla odavno u kurac.
Mada razmišljao sam da postavim neke cevčice na odredjena mesta i onda prsneš lepo se rasprši i još da se zapali izgledao bi kao VATRENI ZMAJ.
Ima toga kod vas u Japanu.
Ipak je taj teflon sprej za amortizere i to jednom mesečno.
Mada ja sam ga koristio na industrijskim manipulatorima ili bolje rečeno robotima. Dobro se pokazao. Ukljanja slip stick efekat
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Lanac za devetofaz, prethodno prskan sa WD-40, u poslednjih par meseci o njemu brine Scott Oiler (http://forum.freebiking.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=996), posle više od 4000 pređenih km ne pokazuje znake zamora.

Kad god sam pokušavao da koristim ulje, posle svake off-road vožnje (a meni su većinom off-road vožnje) lanac bi mi bio crn od mešavine ulja i prljavštine koja se na njega nalepila, morao sam da skidam glib sa njega da mi se ne bi isti zaglavljivao u zupčanicima. Kada koristim sredstva koja anatemišeš (bilo WD-40, teflonske sprejeve ili ovu novu žutu tečnost koja, barem tako tvrde ovi što je prave, NIJE na bazi ulja), lanac i zupčanici su PERMANENTNO ČISTI (to je naročito slučaj otkako sam montirao Scott Oiler).
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Re: Lanac

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Koliko je to para?
Moram da kažem inače bi puko. Znaš na čega me podseća ovaj tvoj sa tim scoot čudom?
Na one bolesnike sa kateterom što im nerade organi pa nose bočice pune svačega bljak. Bez uvrede.
Lepo si rekao za sprejeve. Služe samo da bi očistio lanac ili odmastio. Posle njega ide vodootporno ulje koje odbija i prašinu i onda to sve lepo izgleda.
Koja je to magična žuta tečnost kod tebe?
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Nisam rekao na svaki sat. Nije toliko stetan taj sprej po planetu - znas - nije u svakom spreju freon.
Onda imas argument koji ti je dao bluealek.

A ti kako hoces - koristi sta god hoces, koliko god puta hoces. I vise ces zagaditi okolinu sa uljem nego sa sprejom.
Na kraju krajeva - tvoj je bicikl...

Ja sam presrecan sa teflonom - i nastavicu da ga koristim


Ako vec prozivas Japan - da ti kazem jedno - ovde se itekako vodi racuna o zastiti okoline.
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Re: Lanac

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Za cenu i uslove nabavke sve ti lepo piše na http://www.scottoiler.rs, a što se tiče toga šta je ta žuta tečnost, tamo kažu:

"Scottoiler mazivo se sastoji od odabrane kombinacije ulja, aditiva i vode. Ulje služi za podmazivanje, aditivi za sprečavanje korozije i čišćenje lanca, a voda da bi se lakše ispralo prilikom pranja motora."

Pominje se motor zato što je ovaj sistem podmazivanja inicijalno osmišljen za motorcikle, tek nedavno su napravili i verziju za bicikle. Evo šta o sistemu za bicikle kažu na centralnom sajtu Scottoilera: http://www.scottoiler.com/cycle/

Evo detaljnijeg objašnjenja o tome šta zaista radi ova tečnost, sa sajta proizvođača:

Active Fluid System

How does it work? The system works not only by utilising the lubricating properties of the fluid, but by also utilising the 'flushing' properties of the oiler, enabling dirt and dust to be removed from the chain whilst riding. This is why the manual approach is in some respects better than a steady small drip rate.
How best to use it?
The best use of the oiler requires some tacit knowledge, taken from experience of using the device and listening to your chain - quite literally. You will hear when the chain is 'loaded' and when it is dry. It goes back to those phrases "a little and often" and "as required". You will get a feel for when it needs to be done. Putting the squid in a natural place for your hand to actuate helps too.
For maximum efficiency we would suggest squeezing 3 or 4 times every 10 miles. Each squeeze of the squid dispenses between 1 and 1.5ml of lubricant (dependant on whether you use a one or two fingered squeeze.) This would give 100 to 150 miles per reservoir. (@ 40ml) which relates to 300 to 450 miles per 125ml bottle.
(These figures are merely a guide however, and if riding on good roads and in good conditions, it is possible to use less lubricant.)
How do we know?
*It's all to do with chain efficiency under 'Boundary-Layer' lubrication conditions.
Water based lubricants are effective. They separate lightly loaded bearings, stopping them rubbing against each other. (If they rub, they cause friction, and waste pedal power.) Active Fluid is washed away in rain - slowly in light rain, rapidly in a downpour (unless salt gets at it, when it becomes insoluble.) During this rain however, it is the rainwater itself which is acting as a lubricant - however also exposing your chain to corrosion. When it's not raining, Active Fluid is the lubricant, separating bearings, lubricating the chain, and allowing you to utilise all the power as pedal power.
Similarly, after rain, Active Fluid injected into the chain inhibits rust, i.e. while the bicycle is in storage. Water will evaporate leaving Active Fluid concentrate as a thin protective film on the chain. The interstices inside the bearings also 'suck' the Active Fluid inside the chain under their capillarity.
Come rain or shine, Scottoiler's Active Fluid System is the best approach to lubrication and corrosion protection for your chain.
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